System and Network configuration • [Solved] Just installed Debian 12.1.. Hibernation works 80% of the times and a weird Grub line..

Hello,

Nice to hear from you again.

the solution on this thread was to install older drivers

I'm happy you got sorted.

the nouveau driver is crap(the problem) and should not be used..

I kindly disagree with your statement quoted above. It is sometimes easy to fall into the error of harshly criticising what is received free (as in freedom). Many developers and enthusiastic users spend hours of their time making it work and making it better. Debian/Linux users should depend as little as possible on a manufacturer who doesn't disclose how its hardware works and stops supporting older models.

So if someone else have the same problem and uses older Nvidia graphic.. Install the old legacy nvidia drivers and remove the nouveau driver.

I would be wise not to generalise.

I will mark this thread as solved

Thanks.

All the best.

Hi Aki

I was only in here as i had a problem on my old hardware i still run Debian on.
Sadly I'm about to give up Linux as daily driver, as it is just to unstable/unreliable and to much problems for my usage.
I will still use Debian in my old hardware that can't handle Windows LTSC and i dont need for working on and i will also use Linux on my next server I'm about to get.. as Linux is still superior on the server side. I just wish i was as good on the client desktop side too. But i hope it will get there with more time as Linux feels promising. So i wont give up Linux totally, only as daily driver.

I saw this became a loooong post, so i tried to write short paragraphs to make it some easier to read. I hope you have a good chair to sit in and a good cup of coffee or tea at hand.


oh, really? are one of the developers of nouveau driver as you took offense?
I'm sorry ... but for me it easy.. if it works its good.. if it dont work, then it is not good.
it is kind of black and white for me, as i dont have computers as a hobby and like to play around with the OS's several hours a day or once a month to keep it up and running.
I have an OS to be able to work with my computer as my programs dont run without an OS .. like a car cant be used if it dont have a working engine... you install it once, you make services as the car with the updates, and then you just use it for driving to work, go shopping, and get stuff or visit people.

and yes i know Linux kernel drops support for hardware faster then windows.. i do know that.... but.. a solution on that is to make an easy driver install deb packages in the debian stable repo and point to them in the install document to just do an sudo apt install nvidia.xxx.legacy somthing.
Or.. on the download page for the debian ISO do as microsoft with win11.. This version will not support older hardware then bla-bla-bla. or what it might be..
It becomes kind of misleading to read you only need....But they forget to mention that you will not have driver support on so old hardware that have a P4 1GHz cpu on the motherboard.
My other test laptop with 1st gen i5 CPU and 6GB ram with Radeon graphic works with win10 and all drivers works default. It do not work with Debian11 or 12. So yes i do know windows is better on backward compatibility
On my laptop with Intel Core i3-2350M CPU and 12GB RAM i get this error that my computer is to slow. and that one is much faster then Pentium 4, 1GHzI think Debian needs to update the specs for minimal and recommended requirements


oh-nooo...
as for the "it is free argument"..
okay lets go there, as you brought it up... and you might not like what i will say then.

Grab another cup of coffee and also grab an Aspirin to prevent to much headache when finally you come to the end.. and dont lynch me to hard afterwards. :hug:


If it is free.... okay so if its free then we all should accept it wont work as good/reliable as Windows or Mac OS does as they are payed?

If so, then all different community's/forums should accept that win+mac are better then linux as they are payed for.... and linux users and also kind of the developers can not take offense if some people calls linux desktop/laptop distros for a Hobby OS you only use at home to play around with.. so if its free its not for real then? is that what you are saying? (i saw on Mintforums someone called linux a hobby OS.).... so it is not my words okay so dont lynch me for that statement as it is not my words.

A lot of people in here and on other distro forums say: Linux for desktop/laptop usage is a really good OS for home office and small business usage and is stable and reliable and it also works on really old hardware as an P4 1GHz with 2GB ram. I say at least an 4th Gen intel CPU (or equal AMD) and 8 or 16GB of ram is recommended.. but that is another thing
Okay, so when they say that... and if they really mean what they are saying... then yeah it is okay to criticize when things dont work as advertised/promised if i and others really needed a stable and reliable system to do our work on.

If i work daytime at a car repair shop as a professional and i fix your car for free on my spare time after work and then your car break down in the middle of the dessert.. they you can't criticize me for the car broke down on you, as i did the work one hour after we closed the car shop and it was free?
Yes i do think it is okay for you to criticize me then, if i did a poor job on your car so it broke down on you.


I know i have to high demands and expectations of a operating system, as i demand/expect an OS to work as advertised/promised, as i demand my car engine to work if i get me a new car....
if there is known issues with the car engine or OS's so that it wont work all the time... then it should be advertised that this car engine/OS is not 100% reliable.. so-do-not-use-this, for important things... so you then know if you do need something that is reliable to drive thousands of miles/run for days and days, you know you dont use that car/OS those times, you use another one for the important driving and then the other one for the unimportant things.

Sadly since i got sicker a year ago, i dont have the time to mess around for weeks or even hours to fix problems, so my demands on a stable reliable system became even higher now then it was just a year ago..
so sadly I am forced to reinstall all my newer machines with windows server2022 for desktop usage, as i need a system that is reliable 24/7 / 365days a year... Windows LTSC is just to sick expensive when you have less then 20 computers and you can only buy the licenses if you have a business..
So server2022 and re-tweak all settings for desktop usage and you have windows LTSC machine for office usage with security updates/support up to 2031 for around $200-300/system.. yeah it is not cheap, but windows enterprise LTSC prices makes those $200-300 look cheap.
I will still use debian on my living room laptop and an old desktop for emails and some forum browsing and other non important web browsing.. as it dont do anything if the system crashes in a middle of a sentence.

I switched to Linux 2018 as win7 became EOL in 2020 as win10/11 home/pro/enterprise is a rolling distributions and all rolling distributions is just crap when you need a stable system thet never changes on updates(that goes for Linux rolling distros too). and win LTSC is just to expensive if you even can by it as they only sell to businesses...
And everyone told me: Linux is the best, it is more stable then windows and it just works and you will never regret switching to linux....
But no one.. no one, told me the downside of Linux for desktop and laptop usage even i did specify what i needed my system for.
I dont regret learning linux as server OS and for pentesting i really appreciate learning Linux.... But... i should have had the idea to re-tweak win-server as a desktop OS several years ago, to save me a lot of time and headache the last 5years.. sadly i just got that idea 3-4months ago from Chris Titus so it was not my idea but a good idea.. and it dont work on hardware slower then 4/6th gen Intel so my old have to run win7 that is offline computers, and my old online computers that i dont work with will run Debian... and with Xfce as i dont have the time to learn anything new.


So the it's free argument might work for home users that don't do important things with their computers and like to tweak around as a computer interest/hobby.
I have paid for windows and software since the mid 90's and yes I am willingly to pay for linux OS's and programs if that makes it better and more stable.
As for the open source VS close source thingi...... I'm sorry, but i have never cared about that.... as i dont know jack about programming and coding.. so even if i see the code in front of me, i dont know what it does anyway, or if it contains backdoor's and bad stuff.. i just have to trust the Linux developers for saying it is good code, as i have to trust other closed source software company's it is good code... and i dont really-really trust anyone at that level, i monitor all network traffic and i block everything that i dont think should have internet access.

You can not play the its free card just when it suites you... either is a real thing even for home office/small business usage and then should be a reliable OS... or... it's a home OS for fun usage things that dont need to be reliable and should then be advertised as such if it is so.
Free or payed if there is problems, it should be okay to criticize when it dont work if its meant to work for stable reliable home office or small business usage.
I would never complain if i had used Debian Testing or Sid as i know they are unstable.


I told you you would not like what i had to say about the "its free argument"

I hope you didn't got to much of a headache after reading my evil post. :hug:
I have been re-reading this for two days or if its three days now.. just to be sure i didn't write anything in the heat of the moment... My bad english is as it is, i can't do anything about that one though.

Now i will reed what i have written two or four more times before clicking on the [Submit] button.
I hope you wont lynch me to much. :hug:

Have a nice Sunday.
//Marie

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